11. According to the Pudgalavādins, the view that we are impermanent phenomena is a nihilistic extreme, since we do not exist unless we persist over time, and the view that we are permanent phenomena is the extreme of eternal transcendence. Vasubandhu’s assumption, that our attributions of sameness over time to ourselves can be explained in terms of the causal continuity of the impermanent aggregates in the collection of aggregates in dependence upon which we are conceived, is most likely rejected because it falls to explain our persistence over.