Prosecutor Elizabeth Lederer (Q): Where did you go?
McCray (A): We went to Central Park.
Q: Where did you go in Central Park?
A: We went, um, we went to 110th Street.
Q: And what did you do when you got to 110th Street?
A: We got to 110th Street, we went up the hill in Central Park, you know? We was on the road.
Q: What happened next?
A: We was walking, then we seen a bum.
Q: You saw a bum?
A: Yeah.
Q: What did you do when you saw the bum?
A: We let him pass by, and then this kid with three gold caps grabbed him, threw him on the ground.
Q: How did he grab him?
A: By the, by the shirt.
Q: He grabbed him and threw him on the ground?
A: Yes.
Q: And what did everybody else do?
A: Everybody started kicking him and hitting him.
Q: Did you start kicking him and hitting him?
A: I hit him.
Q: Where?
A: In the chest.
Q: With your hand?
Q: So you hit him with your hand in the chest. Was he already on the ground when you hit him?
A: I hit him like once, twice.
Q: What happened when you got to the tennis court?
A: We was at the tennis court and then we seen this lady, jogging lady, she had on blue shorts and a white shirt, she was jogging and everything, we was gonna let her go but then we just grabbed her.
Q: Where did you wait?
A: Behind the trees, on the grass, a couple of us.
Q: Right next to the path around the reservoir?
A: Yes.
Q: And everybody sort of hid?
A: Yeah.
Q: What happened as she came closer?
A: That’s when we all charged her.
Q: Did you charge her?
A: Yes.
Q: What happened when you charged her?
A: We charged her, we got her on the ground, everybody started hitting her and stuff, she was on the ground, everybody stompin’ and everything. Then we got each, I grabbed one arm, some other kid grabbed one arm and we grabbed her legs and stuff. Then we all took turns getting on her, getting on top of her.
Q: Did you hit her?
A: Yes, kicked her.
Q: Where did you kick her?
A: I don’t know, just kicked her, I felt it, just kicked her, it was like a whole bunch of us.
Q: Who else kicked her?
A: Um, um, Kevin [Richardson, another defendant], um, all of us.
Q: That tall thin black guy I was asking you about, did you see him hit her in the ribs?
A: I heard it. I heard it.
Q: What did you hear?
A: It sounded like when you get hit in your chest. Sounded like that.
Q: Was she screaming, is that how you could tell she was being hit?
A: She wasn’t screaming. She was hurt, though. She wasn’t screaming.
Q: How could you tell she was hurt?
A: ’Cause she was lying there.
Q: First you knocked her down, then you started hitting. Did anybody have a weapon?
A: Yeah, a black pipe [indicates it was more than a foot long].
Q: A little less than two feet?
A: About two feet, I guess.
Q: And was it a stick or a pipe?
A: A pipe.
Q: Who had that pipe?
A: At first, I don’t really know but I think the tall black kid had the pipe. I don’t know.
Q: Did you see what he did with the pipe?
A: No, I just heard it. He got off of her and she got hit again with the pipe in the head, then …
Q: Was she standing up?
A: No, she was on the ground and then we left.
Q: Well, let’s go back for a second, when she was on the ground and you said that you kicked her. Were other people also kicking and hitting her?
A: Yes.
Q: How many times did you kick her?
A: I kicked her like twice.
Q: When you were kicking her, were other people kicking and hitting her?
A: Um-hum.
Q: Was that before or after she was hit with the pipe?
A: Before.
Q: Was she still moving at that point?
A: She was just turning her head, stuff like that, she was moving.
Q: How many times was she hit with the pipe?
A: Twice, in the side and in the head.
Q: You heard her?
A: I heard her get hit in the ribs.
Q: Did you see her get hit in the head?
A: I heard it, not only, I seen it.
Q: Who did it?
A: The tall, black kid.
Q: After she was hit in the head with the pipe, did somebody take her clothes off?
A: Yeah.
Q: Who took her clothes off?
A: One of us, not one of us, I let her arms go?
Q: Were you holding her arms?
A: Yeah.
Q: Were you holding them over her head or to the side?
A: I had her like this.
Q: Was she trying to pull her hand away?
A: Um-hum.
Q: Was somebody holding her other hand? Who?
A: This kid, Puerto Rican kid.
Q: Was somebody holding her feet?
A: Yeah.
Q: Who?
A: I don’t know.
Q: Did somebody take her clothes off?
A: Yes.
Q: What was she wearing?
A: I think a white T-shirt, something like that.
Q: Who took off her shirt?
A: The tall black kid.
Q: Who took off her pants?
A: I think it was him.
Q: Did somebody have sex with her?
A: Yeah.
Q: Did a lot of people have sex with her?
A: Yeah.
Q: Who was the first person to get on top of her?
A: The tall black guy.
Q: Did he take his pants off or just open his fly? What did he do?
A: He didn’t take down his pants.
Q: By this point, though, she wasn’t dressed anymore, right? Her pants were off?
A: Yeah.
Q: Did you touch her breasts?
A: No.
Q: Did somebody else get on top of her then?
A: He grabbed one of her arms, this other kid got on top of her.
Q: Who was that?
A: This Puerto Rican guy.
Q: Did you have your fly open?
A: Yeah, but my penis wasn’t in her.
Q: What happened?
A: I just like, my penis wasn’t in her. I didn’t do nothing to her.
Q: When you got on top of her, you got on top of her so you could have sex with her, right?
A: Not really, I was just doing it so everybody, so … I didn’t do anything.
Q: You said you were doing it so everybody what?
A: Everybody would just like, would know I did it.
Q: When you got on top of her, you had your penis out of your pants?
A: Yes.
Q: And it was between her legs?
A: No.
Q: It was against her?
A: Yeah.
Q: Did you rub against her?
A: Yeah.
Q: Did you have an erection?
A: No.
Q: How long did you do that for?
A: I don’t know, a couple of minutes.
Q: What happened after Kevin was done?
A: Then we left her then, then this guy hit her in the head. Then we left.
Q: Who hit her?
A: I don’t know. I just, the pipe, I think the tall skinny kid.
Q: After you were all done, somebody still hit her in the head?
A: Yeah.
Q: She wasn’t moving anymore by this time, was she?
A: No.
Q: What did you do then?
A: We all left.
Q: Where did you go?
A: We was walking down, down to the reservoir and then we seen a jogger.
Q: Who was that?
A: He had on a green army jacket, some pants and he had on a Walkman.
Q: And he was running?
A: Um-hum.
Q: What happened when you saw him?
A: We was gonna let him go ’cause we thought he was a cop, he was jogging kind of slow. We was gonna let him go.
Q: Did you catch him?
A: Yeah.
Q: When you saw him, what happened?
A: We thought it was a police officer, so we were gonna let him go, he said something smart.
Q: You said you were going to let him go, did somebody grab him first?
A: Nah, we was gonna let him pass by and he said something smart.
Q: What did he say?
A: I don’t know. I know he said something smart, though.
Q: When he said whatever he said, what did it mean to you?
A: He was acting like he was bad.
Q: So that pissed you off?
A: No.
A: Yeah, and then when we let him go and he said something.
Q: OK, so he goes by and he says something to try and sound bad, what did you guys do then?
A: We came, and this kid with a pullover, goose-down jacket, he grabbed him and threw him down, and that’s when we all started charging him.
Q: What were you all doing to him?
A: Kicking, punching him.
Q: Did you kick him?
A: Yes.
Q: Did anybody have a weapon?
A: That pipe.
Q: The tall black guy, did he hit him with the pipe?
A: Yeah, we didn’t hit him in the head.
Q: Where did he hit him?
A: The back and the legs and then, like, it kinda slipped out, right? And I hit him in the leg, and I think somebody was hitting him with a piece of wood over the head, ’cause it hit Steve in the leg, and he got hurt.
Q: Where did it hit him in the leg?
A: I don’t know, like down here, like on the shin or something.
Q: And what did you do when you got home?
A: I told my mother we was playing tag and that’s why I was so dirty.
Q: When you guys went into the park, what were you going into the park for?
A: Just to have fun.
Q: Did you have a good time?
A: Nah, not when we was getting chased.
Q: Before you got chased?
A: Not when we was hitting that man, and everything wasn’t fun then.*
*“Emily Sachar Jogger Jury Sees a Confession,” Newsday (New York), July 19, 1990.