Pacifists love to quote Joan Baez’s “What Would You Do If?” from her memoir Daybreak (1968): they are used to being asked such hypothetical questions. Baez does far better than most in her attempt to respond; she is playful and concrete in her answers, and charmingly unshakeable, revealing her interlocutor’s “what ifs” for the tendentious and imperfect critiques they really are.
Baez (b. 1941) is a leading American folksinger and activist, the activist and singer being inextricably intertwined in her. I heard her tell a story once, during a radio interview: one right-wing admirer of her singing, unable to separate the politics he disliked from the songs he did, said to her, “you are making things very difficult!” Baez herself said that social justice “loomed larger than music” in her life.
She was born in New York to a family that became Quakers in her early years, and moved around a lot with her father Albert, one of the inventors of the x-ray microscope, her mother Joan, her elder sister Pauline, and her younger sister, the late Mimi Fariña. At thirteen she heard Pete Seeger for the first time, and began learning his repertory.
Her career began in Boston and Cambridge, the family having moved there when her father was hired at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Her debut was inauspicious—there were eight people in the audience at Cambridge’s Club 47 in 1958, all of them friends and relatives—but she persisted and prevailed. (It was also the year of her first act of civil disobedience, her refusal to participate in a high school air-raid drill.) She was invited by Bob Gibson to perform with him at the first Newport Folk Festival in 1959, and her triumph there led to her being signed by Vanguard Records. Having been helped by such singers as Gibson, she helped other singers in her turn, including Bob Dylan, whose songs then became part of her own repertory.
She performed “We Shall Overcome” at the 1963 March on Washington and for the 1964 free speech movement demonstrations in Berkeley, California, marching in that following year from Selma to Montgomery with Martin Luther King. Also in 1963, in protest against the Vietnam War, she began refusing to pay 60 percent of her income taxes. (She and the environmental activist Julia Butterfly Hill are probably the most famous American war tax resisters; in 2006 the two spent the night in a tree together.) She traveled to North Vietnam in 1972 and was caught there in the American Christmas bombing of Hanoi, but later became quite critical of the North Vietnamese government for its human rights violations.
Her singing, songwriting, and activism have all continued, flourished, and diversified over the course of her long career. In 2009 she performed at the fiftieth Newport Folk Festival, fifty years after her debut there; in 2011 Amnesty International named its award for Outstanding Inspirational Service in the Global Fight for Human Rights after her, and Baez was unsurprisingly the award’s first winner. That same year she played a set of songs for the protesters of Occupy Wall Street.
“OK. You’re a pacifist. What would you do if someone were, say, attacking your grandmother?”
“Attacking my poor old grandmother?”
“Yeah. You’re in a room with your grandmother and there’s this guy about to attack her and you’re standing there. What would you do?”
“I’d yell, ‘Three cheers for Grandma!’ and leave the room.”
“No, seriously. Say he had a gun and he was about to shoot her. Would you shoot him first?”
“Do I have a gun?”
“Yes.”
“No. I’m a pacifist, I don’t have a gun.”
“Well, say you do.”
“All right. Am I a good shot?”
“Yes.”
“I’d shoot the gun out of his hand.”
“No, then you’re not a good shot.”
“I’d be afraid to shoot. Might kill Grandma.”
“Come on. OK, look. We’ll take another example. Say you’re driving a truck. You’re on a narrow road with a sheer cliff on your side. There’s a little girl standing in the middle of the road. You’re going too fast to stop. What would you do?”
“I don’t know. What would you do?”
“I’m asking you. You’re the pacifist.”
“Yes, I know. All right, am I in control of the truck?”
“Yes.”
“How about if I honk my horn so she can get out of the way?”
“She’s too young to walk. And the horn doesn’t work.”
“I swerve around to the left of her, since she’s not going anywhere.”
“No, there’s been a landslide.”
“Oh. Well, then. I would try to drive the truck over the cliff and save the little girl.”
Silence.
“Well, say there’s someone else in the truck with you. Then what?”
“What’s my decision have to do with my being a pacifist?”
“There’s two of you in the truck and only one little girl.”
“Someone once said, ‘If you have a choice between a real evil and a hypothetical evil, always take the hypothetical one.’”
“Huh?”
“I said why are you so anxious to kill off all the pacifists?”
“I’m not. I just want to know what you’d do if—”
“If I was with a friend in a truck driving very fast on a one-lane road approaching a dangerous impasse where a ten-month-old girl is sitting in the middle of the road with a landslide one side of her and a sheer drop-off on the other.”
“That’s right.”
“I would probably slam on the brakes, thus sending my friend through the front windshield, skid into the landslide, run over the little girl, sail off the cliff and plunge to my own death. No doubt Grandma’s house would be at the bottom of the ravine and the truck would crash through her roof and blow up in her living room where she was finally being attacked for the first, and last, time.”
“You haven’t answered my question. You’re just trying to get out of it . . .”
“I’m really trying to say a couple of things. One is that no one knows what he’ll do in a moment of crisis. And that hypothetical questions get hypothetical answers. I’m also hinting that you have made it impossible for me to come out of the situation without having killed one or more people. Then you can say ‘Pacifism is a nice idea, but it won’t work.’ But that’s not what bothers me.”
“What bothers you?”
“Well, you may not like it because it’s not hypothetical. It’s real. And it makes the assault on Grandma look like a garden party.”
“What’s that?”
“I’m thinking about how we put people through a training process so they’ll find out the really good, efficient ways of killing. Nothing incidental like trucks and landslides . . . Just the opposite, really. You know, how to growl and yell, kill and crawl and jump out of airplanes . . . Real organized stuff. Hell, you have to be able to run a bayonet through Grandma’s middle.”
“That’s something entirely different.”
“Sure. And don’t you see that it’s so much harder to look at, because it’s real, and it’s going on right now? Look. A general sticks a pin into a map. A week later a bunch of young boys are sweating it out in a jungle somewhere, shooting each other’s arms and legs off, crying and praying and losing control of their bowels . . . Doesn’t it seem stupid to you?”
“Well you’re talking about war.”
“Yes, I know. Doesn’t it seem stupid?”
“What do you do instead, then? Turn the other cheek, I suppose.”
“No. Love thine enemy but confront his evil. Love thine enemy. Thou shalt not kill.”
“Yeah and look what happened to him.”
“He grew up.”
“They hung him on a damn cross is what happened to him. I don’t want to get hung on a damn cross.”
“You won’t.”
“Huh?”
“I said you don’t get to choose how you’re going to die. Or when. You can only decide how you’re going to live. Now.”
“Well I’m not going to go letting everybody step all over me, that’s for sure.”
“Jesus said, ‘Resist not evil.’ The pacifist says just the opposite. He says to resist evil with all your heart and with all your mind and body until it has been overcome.”
“I don’t get it.”
“Organized nonviolent resistance. Gandhi. He organized the Indians for nonviolent resistance and waged nonviolent war against the British until he’d freed India from the British Empire. Not bad for a first try, don’t you think?”
“Yeah, fine, but he was dealing with the British, a civilized people. We’re not.”
“Not a civilized people?”
“Not dealing with a civilized people. You just try some of that stuff on the Russians.”
“You mean the Chinese, don’t you?”
“Yeah, the Chinese. Try it on the Chinese.”
“Oh dear. War was going on long before anybody dreamed up Communism. It’s just the latest justification for self-righteousness. The problem isn’t Communism. The problem is consensus. There’s a consensus out that it’s OK to kill when your government decides who to kill. If you kill inside the country you get in trouble. If you kill outside the country, right time, right season, latest enemy, you get a medal. There are about one hundred and thirty nation-states, and each of them thinks it’s a swell idea to bump off all the rest because he is more important. The pacifist thinks there is only one tribe. Three billion members. They come first. We think killing any member of the family is a dumb idea. We think there are more decent and intelligent ways of settling differences. And man had better start investigating these other possibilities because if he doesn’t, then by mistake or by design, he will probably kill off the whole damn race.”
“It’s human nature to kill.”
“Is it?”
“It’s natural. Something you can’t change.”
“If it’s natural to kill why do men have to go into training to learn how? There’s violence in human nature, but there’s also decency, love, kindness. Man organizes, buys, sells, pushes violence. The nonviolenter wants to organize the opposite side. That’s all nonviolence is—organized love.”
“You’re crazy.”
“No doubt. Would you care to tell me the rest of the world is sane? Tell me that violence has been a great success for the past five thousand years, that the world is in fine shape, that wars have brought peace, understanding, brotherhood, democracy, and freedom to mankind and that killing each other has created an atmosphere of trust and hope. That it’s grand for one billion people to live off of the other two billion, or that even if it hasn’t been smooth going all along, we are now at last beginning to see our way through to a better world for all, as soon as we get a few minor wars out of the way.”
“I’m doing OK.”
“Consider it a lucky accident.”
“I believe I should defend America and all that she stands for. Don’t you believe in self-defense?”
“No, that’s how the Mafia got started. A little band of people who got together to protect peasants. I’ll take Gandhi’s nonviolent resistance.”
“I still don’t get the point of nonviolence.”
“The point of nonviolence is to build a floor, a strong new floor, beneath which we can no longer sink. A platform which stands a few feet above napalm, torture, exploitation, poison gas, A and H bombs, the works. Give man a decent place to stand. He’s been wallowing around in human blood and vomit and burnt flesh screaming how it’s going to bring peace to the world. He sticks his head out of the hole for a minute and sees an odd bunch of people gathering material and attempting to build a structure above ground in the fresh air. ‘Nice idea but not very practical,’ he shouts and slides back into the hole. It was the same kind of thing when man found out the world was round. He fought for years to have it remain flat, with every proof on hand that it was not flat at all. It had no edge to drop off or sea monsters to swallow up his little ship in their gaping jaws.”
“How are you going to build this practical structure?”
“From the ground up. By studying, learning about, experimenting with every possible alternative to violence on every level. By learning how to say no to the nation-state, no to war taxes, ‘NO’ to the draft, ‘NO’ to killing in general, ‘YES’ to the brotherhood of man, by starting new institutions which are based on the assumption that murder in any form is ruled out, by making and keeping in touch with nonviolent contacts all over the world, by engaging ourselves at every possible chance in dialogue with people, groups, to try to begin to change the consensus that it’s OK to kill.”
“It sounds real nice, but I just don’t think it can work.”
“You are probably right. We probably don’t have enough time. So far we’ve been a glorious flop. The only thing that’s been a worse flop than the organization of nonviolence has been the organization of violence.”