CARL HARTMAN: Okay. You and Sofia watched the boys go into the house? MARILYN TORRES: Carlos and Tug, you know, they went in after that man. Then we didn’t hear anything for a really long time. Luis wanted to go in after them. CARL HARTMAN: Why didn’t he? MARILYN TORRES: Because he’s 12. We wouldn’t let him. CARL HARTMAN: Can you tell us what happened next? MARILYN TORRES: This other man rides up on his motorcycle and he looked so normal, he seemed like an okay guy. We didn’t know who he was. He started talking to us and made us feel better. BOUDE ENRIGHT: What did he say? MARILYN TORRES: Just, um, nice things, you know, like things you’d say if you were a normal man. CARL HARTMAN: And what happened next? MARILYN TORRES: Then the other one came out on the porch with a shotgun. BOUDE ENRIGHT: Hold on, can you, uh, which other one? MARILYN TORRES: We hadn’t seen him before. He was fat and short and had on a Confederate flag T-­shirt. And a shotgun that was, you know, also short and— CARL HARTMAN: A sawed-­off shotgun? MARILYN TORRES: Yes, and the man on the bike who seemed so normal he took hold of little Luis, and he, um, he . . . CARL HARTMAN: Take your time. CARL HARTMAN: Do you want to take a break? Do you need some water? MARILYN TORRES: He took hold of little Luis and, uh, bent him, um . . . CARL HARTMAN: Do you need a moment? MARILYN TORRES: He bent him over the seat of his motorcycle. BOUDE ENRIGHT: And? MARILYN TORRES: He took a straight razor out of his boot and scalped him alive.

—transcript of Lt. Boude Enright and Deputy Carl Hartman interviewing multiple homicide survivor Marilyn Torres, July 17, 1978